In the Margin

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Running from February 2018 to December 2019, In the Margin was a reading-based podcast about Christian civic engagement and public witness. In each episode, co-hosts Ian Heisler and Robert Brown (and the occasional guest) consider the contributions of various authors to an ongoing conversation about how the Church can love, serve, and speak grace and truth to its neighbors. With the help of these authors, Ian and Robert ask, “What does it mean for Christians to be here? What should it look like to be in the world yet not of the world? How are we to live, read, and converse in the margin?”  Below you can find bibliographies and download links for all 47 episodes.


Episode 01 - On Charitable Interpretation: A Theology of Reading by Alan Jacobs [Listen/Download]

Published February 2, 2018

  • Jacobs, Alan. A Theology of Reading: The Hermeneutics of Love. Westview Press, 2001.


Episode 02 - On Place and Embodiment: Three Articles [Listen/Download]

Published February 9, 2018


Episode 03 - On Romance and Reason: Orthodoxy by G. K. Chesterton [Listen/Download]

Published February 16, 2018

  • Chesterton, G. K. Orthodoxy. John Lane Company, 1908.


Episode 04 - On the Soul of the World: The Epistle to Diognetus [Listen/Download]

Published February 23, 2018

  • Unknown Author. “The Epistle to Diognetus.” The Apostolic Fathers: Greek Texts and English Translations, edited and translated by Michael W. Holmes, 3rd ed., Baker Academic, 2007, pp. 686–719.

NOTE: We experienced technical difficulties in the creation of this episode, resulting in some lost sections and abrupt jumps.


Episode 05 - On Promoting the Gospel: Articles on the Legacy of Billy Graham [Listen/Download]

Published March 2, 2018


Episode 06 - On a God-Centered Life-System: Lectures on Calvinism by Abraham Kuyper [Listen/Download]

Published March 16, 2018

  • Kuyper, Abraham. Lectures on Calvinism. Eerdmans, 1931.


Episode 07 - On the Church and Civil Righteousness: Articles on Calvin and Current Events [Listen/Download]

Published March 24, 2018


Episode 08 - On Thick Christianity Amidst Liquid Modernity: The Benedict Option by Rod Dreher [Listen/Download]

Featuring special guest Tommy Gehrig

Published March 30, 2018

  • Dreher, Rod. The Benedict Option: A Strategy for Christians in a Post-Christian Nation. Sentinel, 2017.


Episode 09 - On Saving the University: Discussions Between Christian Academics [Listen/Download]

Featuring a special guest

Published April 6, 2018


Episode 10 - On the Uneasy Conscience of Postmodern Evangelicalism: Revisiting Carl F. H. Henry [Listen/Download]

Published April 13, 2018

  • Henry, Carl F. H. The Uneasy Conscience of Modern Fundamentalism. Eerdmans, 2003.


Episode 11 - Q&A, Vol. 1 [Listen/Download]

Published April 27, 2018

  • 1:36 — “If parish churches are rightly called families, in what Christian sense are we ‘family’ with mixed (believing and unbelieving) people in non-parishes? In what sense are my coworkers my brothers? And my students my children?”

  • 12:48 — “What is the balance between identifying for the most part with a party’s platform while morally disagreeing with some leaders’ other decisions, and being able to make a relatively ‘significant’ contribution to the election by voting for that mainstream party instead of independent while having apprehensions about the immorality of party leaders but wanting to get the ‘good’ legislation passed through them? . . . Do the ends justify the means?”

  • 20:43 — “Should leaders advocate their Christian views in the political sphere or just keep it in church?” 

  • 27:19 — “What is the work of the Spirit in civic engagement?”


Episode 12 - On Common Ground: Two Strategies for Collaborative Civic Action [Listen/Download]

Published May 4, 2018


Episode 13 - On the More Excellent Way: MLK's Protest of Love 55 Years On [Listen/Download]

Published May 11, 2018


Episode 14 - On Cyber-Anger and Charity: Three Articles [Listen/Download]

Published June 8, 2018


Episode 15 - On Destroying the Fabric: The Abolition of Man by C. S. Lewis [Listen/Download]

Published June 15, 2018

  • Lewis, C. S. The Abolition of Man. Oxford University Press, 1943.


Episode 16 - On Love and War and the Mind in Between: How to Think by Alan Jacobs [Listen/Download]

Published June 22, 2018

  • Jacobs, Alan. How to Think: A Survival Guide for a World at Odds. Currency, 2017.


Episode 17 - On Christianity and Pluralism in the Public Square: Lecture by Lesslie Newbigin [Listen/Download]

Published June 29, 2018


Episode 18 - On Remaking the World: Culture Making by Andy Crouch [Listen/Download]

Published July 6, 2018

  • Crouch, Andy. Culture Making: Recovering Our Creative Calling. IVP Books, 2008.


Episode 19 - On Morals and Moral Debates: After Virtue by Alasdair MacIntyre [Listen/Download]

Featuring special guest Tommy Gehrig

Published July 28, 2018

  • MacIntyre, Alasdair. After Virtue: A Study in Moral Theory. 2nd ed., University of Notre Dame Press, 1984.


Episode 20 - On Protesting Ourselves: 2008's Evangelical Manifesto [Listen/Download]

Published August 4, 2018


Episode 21 - On Corporate Confession: Article by Jake Meador [Listen/Download]

Published August 11, 2018


Episode 22 - Q&A, Vol. 2 [Listen/Download]

Published August 18, 2018

  • 2:43 — “How can pastors and others encourage churches to look beyond the rhetoric of the anti-immigration voices to see that Christ has called us to serve refugees and asylum seekers for His name’s sake and to make disciples?” /// "Why is our advocacy for laws that preserve life (eg abortion) not as strong as our advocacy for immigration policies that keep families together and respect due process?”

  • 13:47 — “Wondering if the non-traditional structure of [the Los Angeles] area . . . means that civic engagement/responsibilities have to look different?”

  • 22:23 — “How motivated should Christians be to become political leaders?” /// "How should you evaluate performance as a Christian in politics? The number of righteous laws passed? Or faithfulness to the work?” /// "I once had someone tell me that God wants [Christians] to take on leadership in politics. How true is that statement according to the Bible?”


Episode 23 - On Immanent Transcendence: How (Not) to Be Secular by James K. A. Smith [Listen/Download]

Featuring special guest Dr. Haein Park, Associate Professor of English at Biola University

Published August 25, 2018

  • Smith, James K. A. How (Not) to Be Secular: Reading Charles Taylor. Eerdmans, 2014.


Episode 24 - Q&A, Vol. 3 [Listen/Download]

Published September 1, 2018

  • 2:00 — “Should Christians get behind legislation that helps the poor . . . or is legislation not an appropriate medium for helping the poor?”

  • 17:30 — “What does it look like for Christians in the US to be civically engaged when there are such strong divides?” /// "How do you foster collaboration across party lines?”

  • 32:13 — “How important is it for Christians to vote? Is God more pleased with those Christians who do?” /// “If you could recommend one book for Christians to read in light of current events and the upcoming mid-term elections . . . what would it be?”


Episode 25 - On Ethics and Aesthetics, Part I: “September 1, 1939” by W. H. Auden [Listen/Download]

Featuring special guest Scott Hubbard

Published September 15, 2018


Episode 26 - On Ethics and Aesthetics, Part II: “A Summer Night” by W. H. Auden [Listen/Download]

Featuring special guest Scott Hubbard

Published September 22, 2018

  • Auden, W. H. Selected Poems. Edited by Edward Mendelson, Random House, 1979.

  • Jacobs, Alan. A Theology of Reading: The Hermeneutics of Love. Westview Press, 2001.


Episode 27 - On Cities on Hills: “A Model of Christian Charity” by John Winthrop [Listen/Download]

Published September 29, 2018


Episode 28 - On the Spirit of Party and Real Patriots: George Washington's “Farewell Address” [Listen/Download]

Published October 6, 2018


Episode 29 - On The Statement on Social Justice and the Gospel: A Response, Part I [Listen/Download]

Published October 20, 2018


Episode 30 - On The Statement on Social Justice and the Gospel: A Response, Part II [Listen/Download]

Published October 28, 2018


Episode 31 - On Facilitating Civic Collaboration: Our Midterm Voting Party [Listen/Download]

Featuring special guest JD Selstad

Published November 3, 2018


Episode 32 - On Ambivalence, Loyalty, and Subversion: The Politics of Daniel, Jesus, and Paul [Listen/Download]

Published November 10, 2018


Episode 33 – On Argument and Story: “C.S. Lewis in the Public Square” by Richard John Neuhaus [Listen/Download]

Published November 24, 2018


Episode 34 - On Aiming at Heaven: Mere Christianity by C. S. Lewis [Listen/Download]

Published December 15, 2018

  • Lewis, C. S. Mere Christianity. Geoffrey Bles, 1952.


Episode 35 - Christmas in the Margin [Listen/Download]

Published December 22, 2018

  • Cappeau, Placide. “Cantique de Noël / Minuit, Chrétiens” (Original Version of “O Holy Night”). 1843.

  • Dwight, John Sullivan. “O Holy Night.” 1855.

  • Watts, Isaac. “Psalm XCVIII. Second Part. The Messiah’s Coming and Kingdom” (“Joy to the World”). 1719.

  • Longfellow, Henry Wadsworth. “Christmas Bells” (“I Heard the Bells on Christmas Day”). 1863.


Episode 36 - On Living Cross-Culturally: Global Perspectives on Christianity and Politics [Listen/Download]

Featuring special guest Ron Brown

Published January 19, 2019


Episode 37 - On Reading Together: Cultivating Bookish Communion [Listen/Download]

Published January 26, 2019


Episode 38 - On Envisioning a Righteous Cause: The Year of Our Lord 1943 by Alan Jacobs, Part I [Listen/Download]

Published February 11, 2019

  • Jacobs, Alan. The Year of Our Lord 1943: Christian Humanism in an Age of Crisis. Oxford University Press, 2018.


Episode 39 - On Fighting the Long Defeat Together: The Year of Our Lord 1943 by Alan Jacobs, Part II [Listen/Download]

Published February 18, 2019


Episode 40 - Q&A, Vol. 4 [Listen/Download]

Published March 4, 2019

  • 2:24 — “How can Christians participate faithfully in the local church when their life circumstances demand that they work excessive and physically exhausting hours? And how are Christians who are not in such a situation supposed to reach and serve such people (believers or not) who are?”

  • 14:10 — “In a hostile playing field, where many people are not listening (nor want to listen) how should we winsomely approach conversations that have connections to political issues?”

  • 24:59 — “How do you discern what’s most important to stay informed about? What’s the place of the spiritual disciplines of contemplation/silence with respect to civic engagement?”


Episode 41 - Q&A, Vol. 5 [Listen/Download]

Published April 1, 2019

  • 2:20 — “To what extent do Christians bear or have responsibility for the unforeseen or unpredictable consequences of candidates, policies, or economic plans?”

  • 18:00 — “What does Christian public policy look like? what actions should Christians strive to have the public take based on our principles? How do we get non-Christians on board with our principles?”

  • 30:00 — “How can Christians from societies 'with a Christian mark' [Pierre Manent’s phrase] relate to increasingly large minority groups without a Christian heritage? What is the duty of the Christian citizen to the secular state? And what can Christians offer to post-Christian politics?”


Episode 42 - On Civil (Dis)Obedience, Part I: Thoreau [Listen/Download]

Published April 16, 2019

  • Thoreau, Henry David. Walden and Civil Disobedience. Penguin Books, 1986.


Episode 43 - On Civil (Dis)Obedience, Part II: Paul and Peter [Listen/Download]

Published April 22, 2019


Episode 44 - On Natural Law and Beauty: James Clark on Public Persuasion [Listen/Download]

Published June 3, 2019


Episode 45 - On Parodies of History: Essays by Marilynne Robinson [Listen/Download]

Published June 10, 2019

  • Robinson, Marilynne. “Marguerite de Navarre [Parts I and II].” The Death of Adam: Essays on Modern Thought, Picador, 1998, pp. 174–226.


Episode 46 - On the Pursuit of Meaningfulness: Russian Literature on Happiness [Listen/Download]

Published June 18, 2019


Episode 47 - A Farewell Message from Ian and Robert [Listen/Download]

Published December 20, 2019